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Post by Jaden Yuki on Aug 10, 2009 19:27:34 GMT -5
The goons/watchers can easily be pro duelist that the companies have hired to keep an eye on things. People that they may have brain washed into believing that their dueling for a better cause or something. I think that's a contradiction, (corrected since I don't quite remember who said) since they're trying to eliminate dueling altogether. That was the "Fire vs. Fire" thing I was trying to bring up...but I don't know now. If I can go back a few pages and see who brought "5D's" up, I'd "get them" seeing I don't see how it can possibly relate to this. That's really their problem. Quite frankly, they have the option to run if they want to. I rather not skip the realism myself. If they are defeated there has to be "some" kind of consquence. |
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Post by egnever on Aug 10, 2009 19:32:29 GMT -5
The goons/watchers can easily be pro duelist that the companies have hired to keep an eye on things. People that they may have brain washed into believing that their dueling for a better cause or something. I've only seen a couple 5D episodes, but they have duelist who go around patrolling for underground duelist or something..... Who are they going to hire? I don't know about you, but I notice that the Pro League duelists are all richer than sin. Edo Phoenix has his own boat, his own plane, an entourage, a manager, and a full staff that surrounds him almost all the time. Everything else suggests that all the top duelists live similarly luxurious lives. 5D's is a future dystopia world (different from GX) where the government and the security council basically runs everything, and even then, their top security guards regularly gets spanked by duelists with talent (see Trudge vs Yusei, Guards vs Crow, DarkSigner!Trudge vs Jack Atlus, Guards vs Yusei/Crow, Trudge vs Ghost, et cetera). And these are the best of the best who get their decks straight from a monolithic "Big Brother" government. You aren't going to get a successful, rich Pro League duelist to go work for the government payscale. It's pretty much not going to happen. You'd have to rely on ousted, disgraced, or fringe professionals at that. Basically, these are like the celebrities whose fifteen minutes are up and resort to appearing on reality television shows. Plus their high and powerful companies or whatever that's threatening to shut down the academies, I'm sure it's without their power to have duelist who are stronger then the students/teachers and all else. -And if not, they undoubtedly have money to pay Pro Duelist who might not be out there and making tons of cash on their own. ---------------------------- Oh and reading back, I noticed something about having these goons patrolling about Domino and pros having to do this whole underground dueling. -You know if you oppress the dueling too much, then your going to end up with a 90% RPing plot over splitting it between dueling and RPing because a lot of people might skip dueling, finding it not worth it to risk their decks. I think that's kind of the point. There's some excitement and energy surrounding the duels that happen, instead of people just casually using "dueling" as a thread-filler. |
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Post by Jaden Yuki on Aug 10, 2009 19:46:47 GMT -5
Plus their high and powerful companies or whatever that's threatening to shut down the academies, I'm sure it's without their power to have duelist who are stronger then the students/teachers and all else. -And if not, they undoubtedly have money to pay Pro Duelist who might not be out there and making tons of cash on their own. ---------------------------- Oh and reading back, I noticed something about having these goons patrolling about Domino and pros having to do this whole underground dueling. -You know if you oppress the dueling too much, then your going to end up with a 90% RPing plot over splitting it between dueling and RPing because a lot of people might skip dueling, finding it not worth it to risk their decks. I think that's kind of the point. There's some excitement and energy surrounding the duels that happen, instead of people just casually using "dueling" as a thread-filler.
Even though people do not want to hear this, a lot of people take the OOC perspective and would hate not to become feeble without a deck, losing their cards, or trapped in some realm. |
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Post by Anna Cornick on Aug 10, 2009 19:50:47 GMT -5
What you are doing is thinking of Pro Duelist from the show. Our pro duelist here - many of them - are more down to earth and don't have all of that.
- Also not all of our (the forum) Pro Duelist are better then some of the other duelist here in the forum. If these other people created characters for the goons then they could easily wipe out a few of our "pros"
Lol, I know Jaden, heh, the realism should definately be about, I was just saying how it might stop some from dueling because they may know their weaker then who their facing and all.
Plus then your turning the Plot idea of trying to shut down the Duel Academy to shutting down Dueling period which is kinda ironic considering that the goons will be dueling and their be working for the people trying to shut it all down.
-And you do recall the 1st part of your plot right? About how the companies are giving the Academy a chance to prove it's worth before demolition.... if they are letting the academy prove itself then it seems unbalanced or something in order to have people going after people in Domino.
- If anything, there should be a time period where their giving the academy a chance, before the head people either don't play fair or something comes up and THEN they go after the students/school/domino/all dueling.
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Post by Jaden Yuki on Aug 10, 2009 19:59:01 GMT -5
Plus then your turning the Plot idea of trying to shut down the Duel Academy to shutting down Dueling period which is kinda ironic considering that the goons will be dueling and their be working for the people trying to shut it all down. -And you do recall the 1st part of your plot right? About how the companies are giving the Academy a chance to prove it's worth before demolition.... if they are letting the academy prove itself then it seems unbalanced or something in order to have people going after people in Domino. - If anything, there should be a time period where their giving the academy a chance, before the head people either don't play fair or something comes up and THEN they go after the students/school/domino/all dueling. |
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Post by Anna Cornick on Aug 10, 2009 20:08:36 GMT -5
dueling prohibition? if that were the case then why would you need an academy? shutting it down made better sense if you wanted to keep it "realish"
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Post by egnever on Aug 10, 2009 20:19:39 GMT -5
What you are doing is thinking of Pro Duelist from the show. Our pro duelist here - many of them - are more down to earth and don't have all of that. - Also not all of our (the forum) Pro Duelist are better then some of the other duelist here in the forum. If these other people created characters for the goons then they could easily wipe out a few of our "pros" Might be true (I haven't really seen any of the "Pro duelists" except for Calantha here), but that doesn't change that the top pro league duelists can be very rich, famous, and influential. Aspiring pro duelists would not likely give up their pro career to be a government or corporate lackey, where they would probably top out at standard white-collar pay. The allure of being a rich, successful Pro League duelist would be too high. I work in the entertainment industry, so I know first hand how powerful the chance at stardom is for most people. You could not persuade them to go be a teacher, or a paper pusher. In fact, many of them left those kinds of careers for a shot at stardom. If you try to get an A-lister to go be some government goon, prepare to get laughed at. dueling prohibition? if that were the case then why would you need an academy? shutting it down made better sense if you wanted to keep it "realish" Because it isn't a ban on all dueling. It would be a ban on street dueling that tends to manifest as dueling gangs and result in violence or disruption. Basically, it would be the government would permit dueling within certain, sanctioned arenas and venues, at certain times. This would make dueling academies still relevant, but their attendance and funding would drop. It's also a lead-in to a possible transition towards the government/world of 5D's, where the state security council controls everything, and the "Duel King" is basically a Security Council puppet, rather than having a big, healthy independent Pro League. |
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Post by Jaden Yuki on Aug 10, 2009 20:29:03 GMT -5
What you are doing is thinking of Pro Duelist from the show. Our pro duelist here - many of them - are more down to earth and don't have all of that. - Also not all of our (the forum) Pro Duelist are better then some of the other duelist here in the forum. If these other people created characters for the goons then they could easily wipe out a few of our "pros" Might be true (I haven't really seen any of the "Pro duelists" except for Calantha here), but that doesn't change that the top pro league duelists can be very rich, famous, and influential. Aspiring pro duelists would not likely give up their pro career to be a government or corporate lackey, where they would probably top out at standard white-collar pay. The allure of being a rich, successful Pro League duelist would be too high. I work in the entertainment industry, so I know first hand how powerful the chance at stardom is for most people. You could not persuade them to go be a teacher, or a paper pusher. In fact, many of them left those kinds of careers for a shot at stardom. If you try to get an A-lister to go be some government goon, prepare to get laughed at. dueling prohibition? if that were the case then why would you need an academy? shutting it down made better sense if you wanted to keep it "realish" Because it isn't a ban on all dueling. It would be a ban on street dueling that tends to manifest as dueling gangs and result in violence or disruption. Basically, it would be the government would permit dueling within certain, sanctioned arenas and venues, at certain times. This would make dueling academies still relevant, but their attendance and funding would drop. It's also a lead-in to a possible transition towards the government/world of 5D's, where the state security council controls everything, and the "Duel King" is basically a Security Council puppet, rather than having a big, healthy independent Pro League. ...this...seems off somehow. I don't know, it's not the thought that this isn't making sense, but it feels like it's not much of a threat to Dueling Society. This seems like it'll have a minor, perhaps strain of an impact tops on Duel Academy, unless you can go further into detail. Up until now, I haven't really pieced things together and some how, this "irks" me. Plus, I've been meaning to ask, but where does "damage" come from within dueling society unless it was a "Realm Duel" since all duels are played upon a hologram system? |
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Post by egnever on Aug 10, 2009 20:41:30 GMT -5
It's because you need to apply the adequate weight and influence of dueling with regards to the universe that it takes place in. Dueling itself may just be holograms, but there is real life significant to it, as stressed repeatedly throughout several Yu-Gi-Oh series'. People settle their differences over a duel, resolve conflicts by dueling, or even spark controversy through the act of a duel.
Whether 'real' or not, there is a lot significance placed on dueling. As seen in 5D's, as well as a few tertiary characters in GX, gangs may use dueling as a means of staking their territory, which often leads to violence and people being genuinely hurt. The government, perhaps combined with the death of some influential figurehead and support from various corporations, may be inclined to take overzealous action against any kind of 'street' dueling, and restrict dueling to events specifically designed for entertainment purposes.
To draw a parallel, street racing is decidedly illegal and comes with enormous penalties, but various corporations or entities may sponsor organized racing at specified tracks and locations. It would be similar with dueling.
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Post by Jaden Yuki on Aug 10, 2009 20:58:12 GMT -5
It's because you need to apply the adequate weight and influence of dueling with regards to the universe that it takes place in. Dueling itself may just be holograms, but there is real life significant to it, as stressed repeatedly throughout several Yu-Gi-Oh series'. People settle their differences over a duel, resolve conflicts by dueling, or even spark controversy through the act of a duel. Whether 'real' or not, there is a lot significance placed on dueling. As seen in 5D's, as well as a few tertiary characters in GX, gangs may use dueling as a means of staking their territory, which often leads to violence and people being genuinely hurt. The government, perhaps combined with the death of some influential figurehead and support from various corporations, may be inclined to take overzealous action against any kind of 'street' dueling, and restrict dueling to events specifically designed for entertainment purposes. To draw a parallel, street racing is decidedly illegal and comes with enormous penalties, but various corporations or entities may sponsor organized racing at specified tracks and locations. It would be similar with dueling.
However, you still need to summarize the story so we can see how it will flow. |
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Post by Anna Cornick on Aug 14, 2009 13:19:44 GMT -5
OK, I am writing up a little combo of ideas here to try and present that goes with the goons/watchers plot idea to where it makes sense without having the problem of Who dies and also why people would riot now of all times, and the pro league people not working for a man who's rich as hell.
XP hopefully it'll make sense to people when it's posted.
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Post by Jaden Yuki on Aug 14, 2009 23:54:04 GMT -5
OK, I am writing up a little combo of ideas here to try and present that goes with the goons/watchers plot idea to where it makes sense without having the problem of Who dies and also why people would riot now of all times, and the pro league people not working for a man who's rich as hell. XP hopefully it'll make sense to people when it's posted. |
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Post by Anna Cornick on Aug 15, 2009 0:21:44 GMT -5
Well there were issues like:
- Who the goons/watchers would be
- Why this company is appearing to take over to begin with
- Why the people would suddenly go this far just because of a death that could have happened before, worse things have probably already happened, this is just the latest thing.
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Post by Anna Cornick on Aug 16, 2009 0:49:26 GMT -5
(OK, this is just a mock-up version for you all to look over. I wrote it kinda in a hurry so it still needs to be edited here and there, but this is just the general idea of things for you to look over and see if it looks alright or is close to what people want so that we could eventually end up getting started.)
Title
^I will think about this or if someone is clever then offer a title name.
Duel Academy has always been a place of chaos where strange things have been known to happen:
Students disappearing
Monsters possessing students and staff
Injuries from dueling
Dark forces traveling here in disguise to bring destruction
Duel Spirits coming to life and attacking everyone in sight
However the most recent didn't just effect the school, Duel Spirits appeared all around the world in order to attack duelist and non-duelist alike as well as destroying buildings and nature all over the world.
While these events are not the only ones to cause trouble for the world, Seto Kaiba is having to take a personal interest in what is happening at the Duel Academies that he has built. All of these recent troubles have gotten parents and citizens into an uproar as they are attempting to ensure that their children are safe.
In order to quiet the concerns of everyone. Seto Kaiba has hired a corporation of duelist This corporation is composed of Pro League Duelist and other professional duelist who have gathered together in order to increase their own skills. Usually the duelist only work on their skills for their upcoming matches, though with the money that Kaiba has offered them, they are going to travel out to his Duel Academy in order to preform an inspection.
These "inspectors" are going to attend classes to ensure that the teachers are teaching material that is required, as well as to be sure that the students are attending the classes and learning. If they find a professor to be lacking in their teaching, they are able to remove said professor from their teaching position.
Along with watching the classes, they will be randomly dueling against students, professors and anyone else that they see fit to duel. During these duels, they will judge whether the students are actually getting the education that Seto Kaiba originally planned upon.
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Phase 2 - This event will not take place for a few weeks, until after the inspectors have settled in and have begun to make subtle changes.
Things are not as simple as they appear; however, the owner of the Dueling Company sees this opportunity as a way of taking over the local Domino Duel Academy.With his/her men at the Academy they will inspect the Academy as they were paid to do... though while they are there, they will begin the slow process of taking control so that the Duel Academy will become their own.
In order to keep the Duel Academy they will have to show the world how their order is superior and with them running the school, their children and the world will be in safer hands.
After they have the Duel Academy under their control, they plan to run the school as they see fit. Classes will be longer and any student who fails to reach their required levels would be removed from the Academy.
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Positions Needed:
- Leader of the Duelist Company (Either you or we can come up with a proper name for the company.)
- Inspectors (Pro League Dueling level - Obelisk Dueling Level.)
***We need between 5-8 of these people.
- Possibly a Seto Kaiba in order to appear now and then, or at least for the 2nd Phase.
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Post by egnever on Aug 16, 2009 1:07:58 GMT -5
I can be Kaibaman.
God knows I already have a deck with 3 Blue-Eyes anyway.
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