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Post by Don Russel on Aug 2, 2009 5:43:19 GMT -5
That would definitely effect everyone and it does make sense. It gives the "goons" a better purpose, and everybody who isn't a student can get involved as well. The (I like the Prohibition, so we're rolling with it) prohibition bears down heavily on the Academy for various reasons. Although I don't think people are going to get much in the way of thievery now(Something that can be worked towards somehow, no doubt), I didn't consider it to be of the utmost importance, and just a side part of the overall plot. Please correct me if I'm wrong. The school stays intact, which is actually pretty important, because 1/2 the board is about the school. It might not fulfill Jun's (morbid) desire for character death, but it does certainly bring for darker days and more tense atmospheres and for some, it definitely will become a fight for humanity as the people are attached to their dueling.
I'm sure there are some holes to be filled, but this seems to be a better plot than the previous in a lot of ways. In fact, some aspects from the old plot can be used in this one and in some was is used in this one to a lesser severity, such as the fear/paranoia. Between the two, I'm sure something optimal can be made.
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Post by egnever on Aug 2, 2009 5:56:23 GMT -5
It would be a mix of both, and probably go something like this:
-- Government is looking at ways to minimize property damage from dueling.
-- Important figure dies (IFD), probably duel related.
-- Backlash from IFD results in increased lobbyist pressure to pass laws to restrict the damage of Duel Monsters duels.
-- Government passes amendment banning Duel Monsters duels on public property. This law is written (in typical law-maker fashion) as very strict and vague, and allows police to abuse it to arrest almost any duelist.
-- Street duelists start getting arrested. Because of the laws, fewer public duel tournaments are held, the Pro League starves. Many Pros are forced to retire because of lack of sponsorships.
-- Since so many Pro League duelists can't find sponsorships anymore, the government scoops them up to help police arrest any rogue duelists.
-- Duel Academia, because it's one of the top feeders into the Pro League, starves with the Pro League. Think of it as a Duel recession. Attendance drops, funding is cut, and money starts to be a problem.
-- Prohibition Era. Underground speakeasies start to entertain guests by holding underground and secret duels. They are often interrupted by police searches and the duelists aligned with them.
-- Government assumes more control over Duel Academia. They send officials and bureaucrats to monitor the school and preside over it. Students who duel illegally are reprimanded.
And so on...
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Post by Shinichi Minamino on Aug 2, 2009 10:31:40 GMT -5
I... personally find this harder to believe than J's. Not that the Prohibition thing isn't interesting. My main concern is how Pro Leagues and DA are affected by the law. Neither of them would be considered "public property" and therefore they would generally continue. Maybe they would even do better because, now that people can't duel or watch duels on the street, they might decide to go to DA or watch the Pro League duels just to keep in touch with the game. I don't see why their sponsorships would go away just because nobodys can't duel on the street anymore. And thus, I doubt DA would suffer much either. Not much of a way for the students to "duel illegally" when they can legally duel anywhere on the island. And I know you may be thinking about how they can abuse the law to hurt DA too, but I highly doubt that it would work. Kaiba's rich enough to afford a lawyer (and Cochrane, at that). And I think that any lawyer would be able to argue the obvious fact that private property isn't public property.
The effect I do see as possible would be a marked decrease in revenue for I2. KaibaCorp might share that fate, but since they still have amusement parks like KaibaLand and whatnot, which are not public property and are therefore untouched by the law, they will probably still be alright. Especially since KaibaLand sales will boom when people are no longer able to duel on the street and, therefore, are forced to duel on private property, such as KaibaLand.
As for your earlier statement about competitive sports (from your post before the above), I guess I will use chess as my example, since that's personally what I do. If the sort of situation J described were to happen with chess, and if it was as commonplace as dueling, I think it is likely that someone could push for the demolition of a chess school if they know how to throw their money around right and they know how to use fear to their advantage. At first, they will obviously not say anything about planning to destroy the entire chess industry. They are just demolishing one school where a lot of this occult, brain-washing cult stuff was happening. Maybe one day they'll bring it back after further investigation.... As for the goons, I'm absolutely certain that someone rich and connected enough would be able to bribe and blackmail (blackmail is much much easier) Grandmasters to be his goons to take out any resistance.
As for them, in the Yugioh world, using Duel Monsters to take it out... you do have a point about that. I did actually have a solution to that problem that I think would make things more interesting even, but... I didn't really want to reveal it to like everyone. I had intended on just telling the staff to see what they think, but... it's only relevant if we are going with J's idea. I could PM it to you too, Cal, if you want to know...
P.S. I just remembered your reference to 5D's too, which confused me since... this isn't 5D's. 5D's is completely separate from this. They could have people be treated as Gods for being good duelists in 5D's and it wouldn't make an iota of difference here. Just saying.
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Post by Jaden Yuki on Aug 2, 2009 11:05:01 GMT -5
Shinichi, you are free to post any idea for us to know about.
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Post by egnever on Aug 2, 2009 15:34:42 GMT -5
I... personally find this harder to believe than J's. Not that the Prohibition thing isn't interesting. My main concern is how Pro Leagues and DA are affected by the law. Neither of them would be considered "public property" and therefore they would generally continue. Maybe they would even do better because, now that people can't duel or watch duels on the street, they might decide to go to DA or watch the Pro League duels just to keep in touch with the game. I don't see why their sponsorships would go away just because nobodys can't duel on the street anymore. And thus, I doubt DA would suffer much either. Not much of a way for the students to "duel illegally" when they can legally duel anywhere on the island. And I know you may be thinking about how they can abuse the law to hurt DA too, but I highly doubt that it would work. Kaiba's rich enough to afford a lawyer (and Cochrane, at that). And I think that any lawyer would be able to argue the obvious fact that private property isn't public property. The effect I do see as possible would be a marked decrease in revenue for I2. KaibaCorp might share that fate, but since they still have amusement parks like KaibaLand and whatnot, which are not public property and are therefore untouched by the law, they will probably still be alright. Especially since KaibaLand sales will boom when people are no longer able to duel on the street and, therefore, are forced to duel on private property, such as KaibaLand. That's because you're not thinking it through. KaibaLand is a theme park. Theme parks, almost universally, do not make a huge overall profit. Why? Because the operating revenue that they earn is but a tiny function of their overall asset value. You see this when Six Flags declares bankruptcy despite having a positive net cashflow (e.g. making a profit). KaibaCorps' asset value will drop tremendously, so KaibaLand will likely suffer the same kind of fate as Six Flags. Most stadiums are owned, at least in part, by the public. Very rarely do you see a stadium built solely with private money. Mostly, because of the huge demands on land and infrastructure (e.g. can the highways support tens of thousands of people simultaneously arriving to watch a match?), taxpayer money goes towards building a stadium. This would make the stadiums that the Pro League duelists use part of state property. Pretty simple, no? In addition to that, both Industrial Illusions and KaibaCorp would likely see huge reductions in sales, precisely because their primary marketing point (duel anywhere, using our stuff!) would vanish overnight. Not only would their inventory accumulate, it would be a sudden, drastic change, and both companies likely have done very little preparation to brace themselves. It's an instant recession. And did you forget Kaiba's original plan with Duel Academia (or even KaibaLand)? Screw the rules, he has money. The school is built on an island with a large volcano? Who cares? It takes millions of dollars just to ship the next boatload of kids over to the school? Who cares, he can pay for it. The school property tax must really suck, and the property is unnecessarily extravagant? It's okay, he's rich. Well, he's not as rich anymore. He didn't build Duel Academia or KaibaLand to roll in the dough, he said so himself. Not to mention that KaibaCorp and Industrial Illusions stock would be, itself, a function of investor confidence, which would not be very high following the news. The school itself is also an indicator of the career it prepares for. If a school is renowned for cranking out the best typewriter repairmen in the world, and typewriters go the way of the dodo, you can bet that the attendance of that school will plummet. How wouldn't the collapse of the Pro League and the subsequent loss of revenue for Industrial Illusions, KaibaCorp (and by proxy, Duel Academia) make sense? Come again? As for your earlier statement about competitive sports (from your post before the above), I guess I will use chess as my example, since that's personally what I do. If the sort of situation J described were to happen with chess, and if it was as commonplace as dueling, I think it is likely that someone could push for the demolition of a chess school if they know how to throw their money around right and they know how to use fear to their advantage. At first, they will obviously not say anything about planning to destroy the entire chess industry. They are just demolishing one school where a lot of this occult, brain-washing cult stuff was happening. Maybe one day they'll bring it back after further investigation.... As for the goons, I'm absolutely certain that someone rich and connected enough would be able to bribe and blackmail (blackmail is much much easier) Grandmasters to be his goons to take out any resistance. This just shows you've been watching too many kid's television, bad fantasy, and generic popcorn movies. This kind of plot would never happen. 1.) Any inspection of Duel Academia would conclude that they don't teach cult or brain-washing there. It's a prestigious, world renowned school. Schools and all other educational institutions are probably, next to churches, the most sacred ground for anyone to touch. The second some goon tries to stand against a school, they are instantly demonized. No one who "pushes their money around" would want to take on that kind of PR hit. This is the 21st century here, get with it. Do you see Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, or Steve Jobs, or Larry Ellison saying, "F**k Stanford. Tear it down"? 2.) Duel Academia is private property, as you said. Any rich punk who tries to throw his weight around on the island would get arrested. The law is the law, and if he harasses students in plain sight on private property, no amount of money or Johnny Cochran is going to wiggle him out of the fact that a.) he was there and b.) he was harassing kids. Did you forget that... uhm... they're on a flippin' island?! You don't think harbors or ports have record of a ship (and you'd need a ship to make long voyages) leaving and heading to Duel Academia? They've been keeping records like that at ports since before Columbus. 3.) You think it'd be easy to just hire off grandmasters and have them come over and duel (illegally) on Duel Academia? What did the rich punk do? Take incriminating photos of them committing lascivious actions? Kidnap their families? And would that be enough to motivate these Pro duelists knowing that if they get caught (almost inevitable) that their career would be Michael Vick'd? These Pro League duelists aren't chess grandmasters. They're rich bastards themselves. They won't chase after a few bucks to compromise their own moral integrity and risk doing illegal activities, especially since a good number of them probably came from Duel Academia themselves. So basically your idea consists of a nefarious unrealistic bad guy chasing an unlikely, unrealistic goal hiring a bunch of unrealistic goons to commit some ridiculous, unrealistic plot (of doom!). Yeah, forgive me for passing on that. P.S. I just remembered your reference to 5D's too, which confused me since... this isn't 5D's. 5D's is completely separate from this. They could have people be treated as Gods for being good duelists in 5D's and it wouldn't make an iota of difference here. Just saying. It's the same universe. Even if you want to claim that the entirety of 5D's is non-canon (or even un-canon), you can't ignore how, even after Dartz captured thousands of souls, or after Duel Monsters come to life during the story arc and terrorize the city, people still want to duel (wtf?). Trying to kill off dueling is like trying to exterminate the world's population of cockroaches. The only conceivable candidate with enough power and authority (key word here) would be the government itself. Any other loon would get hauled to jail, money or not, because the guys they're screwing with have just as much money. |
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Post by Justin Plannoth on Aug 2, 2009 16:50:24 GMT -5
I like the whole "Prohibition" idea, since it deals with changing people's way of life. The plot looks stable enough, and it does include everyone since it's changing the whole dueling world. The problem with it though, is the same problem that has been raised before: What would anyone from Duel Academy be able to do about it? Since it deals with changing the law, I just can't see a feasible way of students and traveling duelists removing the Prohibition law; it would be solely based on the efforts of Kaiba Corp. and I2. And even then, overturning the law would take a hefty amount of evidence that either company didn't have before.
The amount of time this plot would take is another issue. Based on the previous Prohibitions of other countries, the plot is going to at least take 5 years. It does take alot of time for bills to become laws and vice-versa. The Yugioh world would need alot of time to adjust to NOT dueling. Changing Yugioh Gx world into something like Yugioh 5ds doesn't happen overnight.
Of course, I might be wrong on this but this is the way I see it.
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Post by Jaden Yuki on Aug 2, 2009 17:32:29 GMT -5
Chill out. I'm sensing tension...
Hmm....I guess staff is a bit busy to pick this up and fix it. Cala, what would you prescribe, and can it be summarized? I'm pretty much a little labored to read a wall a text.
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Post by egnever on Aug 2, 2009 18:16:43 GMT -5
The prescribed notion is posted above. The last post was simply to address Shinichi's points, or non-points. As a disclaimer, I like a bit of debate, and I enjoy making bad points look outrageously stupid. So it's best to make sense in the first place. The amount of time this plot would take is another issue. Based on the previous Prohibitions of other countries, the plot is going to at least take 5 years. It does take alot of time for bills to become laws and vice-versa. The Yugioh world would need alot of time to adjust to NOT dueling. Changing Yugioh Gx world into something like Yugioh 5ds doesn't happen overnight. Valid point. Worst comes to worst, we can always say that the idea has been on the agenda for some time, but never really had a chance of passing until a few Important Figure Deaths (IFD's) that brought on a large amount of pressure to pass the laws. Really, the problem we're facing here is that Duel Academia is in a bit of a bubble, so any "non-magical" plot that affects Duel Academia has to either be some huge, overarching setting, or has to be too localized to include anyone else. I'd rather include everyone than a small segment of the population. |
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Post by Jaden Yuki on Aug 2, 2009 18:32:03 GMT -5
The prescribed notion is posted above. The last post was simply to address Shinichi's points, or non-points. As a disclaimer, I like a bit of debate, and I enjoy making bad points look outrageously stupid. So it's best to make sense in the first place.
Well, since you have properly suggested the patches for these little punched holes in my typed up blueprint, I think an overall summary of what the story would look like is in order. |
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Post by Takeshi Ryuuga on Aug 2, 2009 19:03:18 GMT -5
The prescribed notion is posted above. The last post was simply to address Shinichi's points, or non-points. Ouch. The reality of this discussion hurts me. We are shifting from Yugioh/anime into what would happen irl. XD |
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Post by egnever on Aug 2, 2009 19:27:30 GMT -5
It's not so much what would happen IRL, but what would make a believable storyline that isn't held together by a bunch of Deus Ex Machinas.
As I said, there's a reason why most antagonists in the YGO series use magic, because magic is a ubiquitous plot device that can explain away everything. If you want to strip away the magic element, you have to be more creative, otherwise your entire idea collapses into one big pile of "WTF?"
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Post by Jaden Yuki on Aug 3, 2009 0:25:31 GMT -5
It's not so much what would happen IRL, but what would make a believable storyline that isn't held together by a bunch of Deus Ex Machinas. As I said, there's a reason why most antagonists in the YGO series use magic, because magic is a ubiquitous plot device that can explain away everything. If you want to strip away the magic element, you have to be more creative, otherwise your entire idea collapses into one big pile of "WTF?"
Uh...the summary will probably take too long for me, so you are more than welcome to rearrange it Cala, if not, then some other member who help present the idea. I wish not to hold progress up any longer with my concerns. |
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Post by Shinichi Minamino on Aug 3, 2009 10:11:36 GMT -5
Soooooooz... just one more question. What are we students going to do in this plot?
Oh, and is this supposed to be something that's happening worldwide or just Japan? It should probably be the former (otherwise loads of people would just go to America or Europe or something).
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Post by egnever on Aug 3, 2009 15:58:59 GMT -5
Well, since the academy falls under the monitoring of certain officials (no school is completely private, as they all need their accreditations), you could probably play your character as dodging the bureaucrats and patrols on Duel Academia, or you may form underground dueling leagues since only sanctioned duels are allowed. It's an open ended plot. And, since it's government-oriented, each country would act independently. Maybe other countries follow Japan's lead and start restricting Duel Monsters duels. Maybe there's an international conference that leads to a number of nations outlawing public duels altogether. I imagine that since Duel Monsters duels are often used for violent or gang-related purposes (see GX and 5D's), there's increased incentive to keep Duel Monsters off the streets, but even so, a good number of Pro and traveling duelists would probably sneak off to other (less thriving) countries and underground dueling leagues, that's the point.  |
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Post by Jason Enurez on Aug 3, 2009 21:10:06 GMT -5
Heres an Idea-
How about we have this tournament between dorms. Afterwards the winner of each dorm will compete against one another. The winner of the tournament gets some kind of a title?
For Example-
The Slifers will verse each other
Ras will verse each other
Obelisk Verse each other
Violets verse each other
And the winners randomly verse
For example-
Slifer vs. Obelisk
Ra vs. Violet
Then those winners verse in the finals and the winner of the whole thing becomes like the champion and stuff.[/i]
((I know the idea might suck since i came up with it on the spot [: ))
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