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Post by Shinichi Minamino on Jul 30, 2009 15:13:30 GMT -5
Uhhh... I'm not sure about the answer to yours, but I really doubt it would be the US government. We are in Japan, after all.
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Post by Justin Plannoth on Jul 30, 2009 15:47:34 GMT -5
Uhhh... I'm not sure about the answer to yours, but I really doubt it would be the US government. We are in Japan, after all. Sorry about that, I wan't really being specific. Just wanted to know if the public was just rallying or whether or not there was organization that represented the people's complaints. |
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Post by whitequeen on Jul 30, 2009 16:14:38 GMT -5
Considering the previous crisis started, not on Duel Academy island but Twilight Island where Sparks was, how they draw the line connecting DA to that needs to be explained, especially since there is more than one academy in the world. I understand public paranoia, but to go as far as demolishing a school and putting people out of jobs and homes, they'd need a hell of a better reason than 'they play duel monsters so they must be the cause!"
Also this mimics the real-world issue that 'someone does violence, blame video games!" In this case it's card monsters doing stuff, but everyone blames the card games as a whole.
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Post by Shinichi Minamino on Jul 30, 2009 17:06:28 GMT -5
Reaaaaaaally, Ash? I doubt they'd really need a better reason than that (see U.S. History or current war).
But, you do make a sensible point. I would assume though, that the sentiment that DA is to blame comes from the fact that the monsters invaded DA specifically (more than once I take it) and PK seemed particularly interested in DA.
And yeah, the fact that the academy's purpose is to train people to play with cards that are based off of those monsters doesn't help either.
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Post by egnever on Jul 30, 2009 17:17:19 GMT -5
The problem is that Duel Monsters in the Yu-Gi-Oh world is a way of life. In the 5D's anime, they even go so far as to build entire stadiums and highways for people to have riding duels. Entire multibillion dollar enterprises, like KaibaCorp or Industrial Illusions are founded on the play of Duel Monsters cards, and people, by and large, settle their differences through duel monsters. Presumably, dueling is so ingrained into the culture that people know all about dueling, pretty much everyone duels, and famous Pro League duelists are treated as huge celebrities. Entire schools are built dedicated to letting students learn the ins and outs of dueling.
It's a far cry from people losing their lives due to some guerrilla act of violence. The backlash from an 'accident' or 'foul play' from an integrated part of one's lifestyle would hardly be cause for concern. Think of it this way... thousands and thousands of people lose their lives in automobile accidents, and cars can be used as deadly weapons, but no one is marching to shut down all the automobile manufacturers because they produce 'dangerous' products. It's a part of life.
If some entity were to try to takeover/shutdown the Duel Academies, and put thousands of people out of jobs and education, you can bet it would have to be something of incredible importance...
Like asteroid hitting the earth importance. It's no trivial matter.
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Post by Justin Plannoth on Jul 30, 2009 17:35:42 GMT -5
The problem is that Duel Monsters in the Yu-Gi-Oh world is a way of life. In the 5D's anime, they even go so far as to build entire stadiums and highways for people to have riding duels. Entire multibillion dollar enterprises, like KaibaCorp or Industrial Illusions are founded on the play of Duel Monsters cards, and people, by and large, settle their differences through duel monsters. Presumably, dueling is so ingrained into the culture that people know all about dueling, pretty much everyone duels, and famous Pro League duelists are treated as huge celebrities. Entire schools are built dedicated to letting students learn the ins and outs of dueling. It's a far cry from people losing their lives due to some guerrilla act of violence. The backlash from an 'accident' or 'foul play' from an integrated part of one's lifestyle would hardly be cause for concern. Think of it this way... thousands and thousands of people lose their lives in automobile accidents, and cars can be used as deadly weapons, but no one is marching to shut down all the automobile manufacturers because they produce 'dangerous' products. It's a part of life. If some entity were to try to takeover/shutdown the Duel Academies, and put thousands of people out of jobs and education, you can bet it would have to be something of incredible importance... Like asteroid hitting the earth importance. It's no trivial matter. I think I understand now. Seeing as though the entire tournament was based on a SINGLE academy, and the other academies had nothing to do with the tournament, the incident could be isolated to DA easily. Taking into consideration that Yugioh world LIVES on dueling, shutting down all the academies would be a aliitle much. The plot could just be focused on shutting down DA though.... |
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Post by Shinichi Minamino on Jul 30, 2009 19:14:49 GMT -5
The problem is that Duel Monsters in the Yu-Gi-Oh world is a way of life. In the 5D's anime, they even go so far as to build entire stadiums and highways for people to have riding duels. Entire multibillion dollar enterprises, like KaibaCorp or Industrial Illusions are founded on the play of Duel Monsters cards, and people, by and large, settle their differences through duel monsters. Presumably, dueling is so ingrained into the culture that people know all about dueling, pretty much everyone duels, and famous Pro League duelists are treated as huge celebrities. Entire schools are built dedicated to letting students learn the ins and outs of dueling. It's a far cry from people losing their lives due to some guerrilla act of violence. The backlash from an 'accident' or 'foul play' from an integrated part of one's lifestyle would hardly be cause for concern. Think of it this way... thousands and thousands of people lose their lives in automobile accidents, and cars can be used as deadly weapons, but no one is marching to shut down all the automobile manufacturers because they produce 'dangerous' products. It's a part of life. If some entity were to try to takeover/shutdown the Duel Academies, and put thousands of people out of jobs and education, you can bet it would have to be something of incredible importance... Like asteroid hitting the earth importance. It's no trivial matter. Ay, you do make a very good point. But, as Derrick alluded to, the plot that J described does focus only on DA, even if it does have a "we hate Duel Monsters" sort of ring to it. Shutting down one school doesn't necessarily mean that Duel Monsters will be done away with. Just a "dangerous school that goes to the darkest extremes of Duel Monsters and teaches its students to praise/practice 'dark magic', _____ and ____" will be gone. As for your simile, I find it a bit off. I think it's more like if Ford cars came to life and started destroying things/killing people/etc. In that case, I think Ford would very probably be forced to shut down. A better simile I think is that it is like guns from a military training camp started to go haywire and destroy/kill/etc. Now, it seems like the crisis is over for now, but who knows when it will happen again? "Maybe they are testing some new kind of weapons to try and take over the country!" "Maybe they are...!" "Maybe they are...!" "WE HAVE TO STOP THEM!" Aaaaaaand... there goes that military training camp. Feel free to go to another one, though they will all probably be under investigation. "We're not going to do away with guns or military training or anything like that. We are just going to make sure bad things like that don't happen again." |
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Post by Jaden Yuki on Jul 30, 2009 20:43:34 GMT -5
I got the PM and I didn’t know that this was pretty much ongoing as some sort of problem. I was sort of hoping that you guys would put two and two together since I pretty much thought you‘d be creative. I pretty much skimmed anyway.
*shrugs and thinks*
Whoever RPs as the said ”figure” need to know how to sway many into a hate towards duel monsters. Of course the school won’t be demolished in one foul swoop or something, but in the process by debating and goons who are taking a bunch of resistant kids decks in the Academy. No doubt Kaiba Corp and I2 are stalling the movement of Armageddon towards duel monsters.
I’m really not thinking ahead on this. That’s not my aim when plots like this come to mind because I don’t plan things from start to finish. It takes out all the fun of things.
Besides, the relation of duel monsters to Kaiba Corp and Industrial Illusions has always be in question when it comes to Duel Academy. It’s not the Academy that’s in thought to be targeted, but anything associated with the game which is a reason to send all relations to the game straight to hell whether it’s as simple as a card or a monument for the popular game.
…I’ll give more detail if needed to make this thing go, but only if requested. I’m not one to make plots as much since it’s not my thing like it was in the past, but I come out the rabbit hole if necessary. Just list some ploxholes and things that need to be covered and I’ll do it in my note book. So far, I’m a little tired and it’s getting quite confusing for me.
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*Claps palms across his cheeks and shakes head* Okay…I’ve read everything because I’m devoted like that.
Well let’s see…as I said, Kaiba Corp and I2 have evaded the scenario of Duel Monsters being connected to the real world many times. It’s not the matter of the monster attack from recent that would raise the attentions public, but rather the fact that a game that uses monsters that seem to come to life should make people go “WTF? Real monsters because of card games?” Yes, it’s the same as the violence and video games thing, but that’s what makes this plot so realistic and adaptive, because it feels real.
Quite frankly, let’s face it, the minds of people (Concerned parents who have children on the island, loved ones, relatives, those who are scared for their children and relatives) would be like this: “Why have a damn game active when it’s a threat to the lives of our loved ones?” Fear will make people go crazy, and we all know this. It makes people pissed and stuff making it more than enough reason to even try to bring up the point that Duel Monsters is some sort of threat to their precious homes and life because of a freak accident.
Yes, Sparks was behind this, BUT he used “Duel Monsters” in order to create this catastrophe. Keep in mind that not many people are aware of magic and monsters, and because of that, they will fear something they will not understand. Even Kaiba himself goes, “Magic? Bullshit!” mostly, even though he does admit at least once there is some sense in it all. Let’s not forget, Kaiba started the school, and as stated the reason for Duel Academy is to pry for the secrets of Duel Monsters. This makes him the defensive, as well as Pegasus, to halt the school’s demolition.
Let me draw a picture since I’m being long winded and have to cover everything since this plot seems delicate:
~Restating first point, Not many people know about Shadow Magic and such. Surely, when Sparks was dealt away with, most likely people did not broadcast the news saying, “Gordon Sparks is guilty of terrorizing the world with Shadow Magic!” Of course if the world does know of such a thing, then it should be stated in the forum story summary…which is really needed so people won’t confuse anime/custom forum story references . There is too many contradictions that are confusing me with this and makes this plot making thing more difficult.
~Second, Working with the first point, people will fear what they won’t understand. This is what will be the “key” in triggering this little event, and the figure to lead these people into making a chaotic lash against the Academy will most likely be our key player. One reason to shut down DA is the homicide that can be blamed on eerie occurances at the Academy (like said “Magic“ which parental figures will think of as childish religious or black magic rituals by punks or whatever), and rather a reason to end all of Duel Monsters in general from institutes (such as DA) to little card shops. His reason for doing this should be some sort of secret motive or whatever to make him a villain, or he could just be some sort of pawn. I don’t know, be creative people.
~Third point, those two points above are your set to deal with. Sure he could decline duels, but this is the thing, He won’t be there to do that because he will be busy tending to Seto Kaiba and M. Pegasus who will be trying to halt his little advancement meaning he will use goons to relieve relentless children of their decks and set the defenseless Duel Academy up for demolition with no resistance. No one will care about putting many out of their jobs and homes if it’s what concerned and feared morons would say as, “for your own good!” (Hee Hee! Get into the minds of the offensive cowards and not just the logical defense people.)
Fourth Point, @shinichi, Cars? No more? We need to go stock up! (Yes I’m just goofing off with this. I’m tired and I need some fun. Gimme a break!)
Okay, REAL Fourth Point, The scenario of the plot will be this: Duel Monsters representatives and the figure and his supported international subordinates will be locked in a civil war making Duel Academy and their branches into a state of peril. The only thing to do is get to the bottom of these mysteries (The death and who is this figure) while defending the Academy against goons and investigators who are simple enforcers trying to make the kids and their teachers leave. You can toss in a twist and say they’re using Shadow Magic or something making the mysterious figure more mysterious and question more about him and this incident, or you can pretty much say they’re armed with Duel Disks and ready to beat the children at their own game…
…but that’s just my two cents. Just juggle these things around while I…go nap or something. I’m exhausted.
Note: I know I'm not making sense and stuff right now, but I'm extremely tired, so please wait til' weekend when I don't have to go to work, thank you.
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Post by Amanda Leeding on Jul 31, 2009 22:06:33 GMT -5
That's all well and good, but who exactly are the characters supposed to be dueling then? Each other? The people sent to do away with the Academy?
You all seem to be focusing a little too much on the nuts and bolts of it, when it still seems like large sections of the main gameplay need work...
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Post by egnever on Jul 31, 2009 23:15:48 GMT -5
As for your simile, I find it a bit off. I think it's more like if Ford cars came to life and started destroying things/killing people/etc. In that case, I think Ford would very probably be forced to shut down. A better simile I think is that it is like guns from a military training camp started to go haywire and destroy/kill/etc. Now, it seems like the crisis is over for now, but who knows when it will happen again? Except in both of these cases, you would be punishing the manufacturer of the accident, either by recall or mandate. In this example, no one is punishing the origin of the problem (e.g. the cards themselves), but they're punishing a bystanding educational institution just for being there. The students, staff, and everyone involved with Duel Academia still get their duel disks from KaibaCorp, still get their cards from Industrial Illusions, and so on. Punishing them for accidents involving duel monsters makes no sense. They, for the sheer fact that they are an educational institute that involves minors, would be last place anyone would try to shut down. As for the plot, what of Traveling Duelists that have little affiliation with the Academia? Do they just get to chill and sip on their martinis? |
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Post by Jaden Yuki on Jul 31, 2009 23:27:59 GMT -5
That's all well and good, but who exactly are the characters supposed to be dueling then? Each other? The people sent to do away with the Academy? You all seem to be focusing a little too much on the nuts and bolts of it, when it still seems like large sections of the main gameplay need work... Made it clear that it should be some goons. It's either members or staff make up these "goons." It doesn't have to be common men, but rather maybe some duelists who share the same idea as the rioters and care less about dueling anyway...well...you guys have to be creative with this or whatever. I have a character in mind for this, but I think I rather play my usual roles. As for your simile, I find it a bit off. I think it's more like if Ford cars came to life and started destroying things/killing people/etc. In that case, I think Ford would very probably be forced to shut down. A better simile I think is that it is like guns from a military training camp started to go haywire and destroy/kill/etc. Now, it seems like the crisis is over for now, but who knows when it will happen again? Except in both of these cases, you would be punishing the manufacturer of the accident, either by recall or mandate. In this example, no one is punishing the origin of the problem (e.g. the cards themselves), but they're punishing a bystanding educational institution just for being there. The students, staff, and everyone involved with Duel Academia still get their duel disks from KaibaCorp, still get their cards from Industrial Illusions, and so on. Punishing them for accidents involving duel monsters makes no sense. They, for the sheer fact that they are an educational institute that involves minors, would be last place anyone would try to shut down. As for the plot, what of Traveling Duelists that have little affiliation with the Academia? Do they just get to chill and sip on their martinis? Umm...the answer to the manufacturer thing, I did say they were attacking I2 and Kaiba Corp directly closing down not only card manufactureres and creators, but also shutting down sellers, relative themed Duel Monster locations (Kaibaland for Ex.) as well as Insitutions. (Such as Duel Academy.) The last question about what Traveling Duelists should do lies with them. If they care for Duel Academy, sure, go and help. If not, then they can do whatever they want. Some may be interested in the said "death" or this figure who wants to shut down the Academy. Hmm...this plot would be solid if one could patch it up, but I think that's best left to staff. I think the basis along what kind of plot and the idea has been given, but this is only if everyone agrees with this type of plot. |
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Post by Don Russel on Aug 2, 2009 3:24:57 GMT -5
As for your simile, I find it a bit off. I think it's more like if Ford cars came to life and started destroying things/killing people/etc. In that case, I think Ford would very probably be forced to shut down. A better simile I think is that it is like guns from a military training camp started to go haywire and destroy/kill/etc. Now, it seems like the crisis is over for now, but who knows when it will happen again? Except in both of these cases, you would be punishing the manufacturer of the accident, either by recall or mandate. In this example, no one is punishing the origin of the problem (e.g. the cards themselves), but they're punishing a bystanding educational institution just for being there. The students, staff, and everyone involved with Duel Academia still get their duel disks from KaibaCorp, still get their cards from Industrial Illusions, and so on. Punishing them for accidents involving duel monsters makes no sense. They, for the sheer fact that they are an educational institute that involves minors, would be last place anyone would try to shut down. As for the plot, what of Traveling Duelists that have little affiliation with the Academia? Do they just get to chill and sip on their martinis? Maybe I think too little of society, but I can definitely see a group of people acting drastically even when it makes no sense out of fear(or some alternative emotion). I can also see another group of people attempting to monopolize on those actions. Things don't always have to make sense, emotions run high, especially when kids are the primary party involved.People can even make mistakes and blame the wrong party. There is also a large potential of peer pressure and the amount of people who follow others without knowing who or what's really going on. I'm not arguing that it shouldn't, what I am doing is stating that it could. As a traveling duelist, I personally enjoy being on the fence. But Cala has a point, we do need to figure out how to incorporate groups that are potentially left out. |
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Post by egnever on Aug 2, 2009 3:49:23 GMT -5
Made it clear that it should be some goons. It's either members or staff make up these "goons." It doesn't have to be common men, but rather maybe some duelists who share the same idea as the rioters and care less about dueling anyway...well...you guys have to be creative with this or whatever. I have a character in mind for this, but I think I rather play my usual roles. The main issue is that the analogy of attacking the entire Duel Monsters conglomerate is like trying to attack a huge sector of the population. It's like saying all people in the service industry is bad. Duel Monsters is such a huge part of life in the Yu-Gi-Oh world that it extends from business (e.g. dueling for company stake), education (Duel Academy), entertainment (Pro League dueling), manufacturing (merchandise), and much more, even without dealing with the magical hullabaloo. It's just seems like too much of a part of everyday life for people to all of a sudden up and say, "we want to get rid of everything Duel Monsters." Even if I could envision them lobbying to close down all things duel related, but then why would they use duels to do it? Furthermore, if they want to bring down dueling altogether, where would they get the duelists willing to outduel others in order to end dueling? It seems like a huge conflict of interest there. The duelists out there who are good enough to beat down students, traveling duelists, and professionals would have to be top notch duelists and active participants in the Duel Monsters world themselves. |
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Post by Jaden Yuki on Aug 2, 2009 3:59:35 GMT -5
Made it clear that it should be some goons. It's either members or staff make up these "goons." It doesn't have to be common men, but rather maybe some duelists who share the same idea as the rioters and care less about dueling anyway...well...you guys have to be creative with this or whatever. I have a character in mind for this, but I think I rather play my usual roles. The main issue is that the analogy of attacking the entire Duel Monsters conglomerate is like trying to attack a huge sector of the population. It's like saying all people in the service industry is bad. Duel Monsters is such a huge part of life in the Yu-Gi-Oh world that it extends from business (e.g. dueling for company stake), education (Duel Academy), entertainment (Pro League dueling), manufacturing (merchandise), and much more, even without dealing with the magical hullabaloo. It's just seems like too much of a part of everyday life for people to all of a sudden up and say, "we want to get rid of everything Duel Monsters." Even if I could envision them lobbying to close down all things duel related, but then why would they use duels to do it? Furthermore, if they want to bring down dueling altogether, where would they get the duelists willing to outduel others in order to end dueling? It seems like a huge conflict of interest there. The duelists out there who are good enough to beat down students, traveling duelists, and professionals would have to be top notch duelists and active participants in the Duel Monsters world themselves.
Well, doesn't matter, quite frankly it's all in "character." I was wavering around them playing the fire vs. fire logic or whatever for thought. Mostly I'm pretty much tying knots as I go...which I'm the least bit interested in, so I guess I'll step out from here.
By the way Traveling "Duelists." I'm pretty sure they would be upset if others come to try to take their decks.
Hmm...*Palms face once again* Gotta rephrase my words clearly this time.
Fear causes "DRASTIC" measures. Sure Duel Monsters is apart of everyday life, but would you too be fond of something that was once a card game now being a potential threat for your life...or at least that's what our "figure" will phrase it to cause this little uproar. You can't look at it from the perspective of just popularity by a single individual that is a duelist, but as an individual that's a "local." Remember, some people aren't really interested in Duel Monsters, and some are. This should cause a confliction with the people themselves to the point that chaos ensues throughout this endeavor.
Make any sense? Yes? No? I haven't been at the top of my game lately.
On top of that, there are duelists who duel to simply treat it as sport and have no bonds or deep ties to the game. They may even treat it like it's some sort of "medium" for some other purpose.
I haven't been brainstorming this week because I have something important to tend to, but if this plot is left on the table and ignored by choice then it can be, if you guys want that is, other than that if not, I'll fix it before I'm busy again. |
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Post by egnever on Aug 2, 2009 4:22:38 GMT -5
Let's not be daft here. I got your hint. I just don't agree with your idea. I know exactly what fear can do. Governments constantly struggle between freedom and security. Stop trying to quote basic polisci to me as if I have no clue.
But even the power of fear and 'hysteria' has its limits. We see in 5D's that dueling is so ingrained that even after the whole city loses their souls as mere bystanders to duels, they still continue to duel, and not only that, construct highways and routes specifically for duelists. It would be like claiming that 'fear' and 'hysteria' causes people to universally outlaw the color red. The likelihood of that happening is... miniscule, to say the least.
Can you contrive a situation where everyone in the world gets in such an uproar over the color red and want to do away with it? Sure, you can. It's fiction. You can contrive a situation for anything, but it doesn't mean that it stacks up to scrutiny or that it makes an iota of sense.
Have you ever played a sport competitively? On any organized level (high school, college, professional)? There's no one that plays something for sport, to the point where they are good enough to beat professionals who dedicate their entire lives to that sort of thing, without having ties to the game. You see it all the time with athletes who struggle with walking away from their respective sports.
Remember, in the Yu-Gi-Oh world, it takes a lot of training and effort to get good enough to be a Pro-level duelist. People go to school for 3 (4 in the English dub) years just so they have a shot (probably a long shot at that) at making a career out of dueling. And you're going to tell me that some random punk who doesn't have any 'bonds or deep ties' to the game is going to come around and start picking off top ranked duelists? Please...
The game of Yu-Gi-Oh may not be tough in real life, but in universe, we're to assume that it's very tough. And even though the real life game itself may be simple, I would love to see how the average forum goer here would do against the top players in the world. My guess is that they would get rolled. The idea that some group of casual-minded gamers would come around and beat top ranked duelists is like saying that you can go pick up some guys at your local rec club and beat an NBA team in basketball. Absolutely absurd.
Can I believe that there's a backlash against the Duel Monsters community, especially at the grassroots level? Absolutely.
Can I believe that there's suddenly a global attempt to shut down the entire institution of dueling, including educational facilities, businesses, and multinational conglomerates -- and worse yet, they're using Duel Monsters in an attempt to do so? Not a snowball's chance in hell.
There's a reason why most of the "take over the world" plots in Yu-Gi-Oh series revolve around magic. You can't just take the same kind of plot, strip it of all its magic, and turn around and try to market it as something innovative and plausible. Give me a break.
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What I do think is more reasonable is if, for example, studies showed that dueling led to a lot of property destruction and violence, and prohibited people from dueling in public venues. This would probably have a reasonable chance of passing. For example, the Japanese government banned duels on public/state property.
Then, you could have random street duelists start getting arrested for conducted street duels, and you'd have a "Prohibition" style era (not unlike the 1920's) where people would duel in underground speakeasies and such. Duel Academia would probably have to retool, considering the Pro Leagues would be hurt under the new laws, and traveling and pro duelists would band together to raise resistance against these rules.
Then you could justify that the state could hire some Pro duelists to chase down rogue duelists, because this proposition doesn't have anything to do with banning the entire institution of dueling, but just restricting it to government sanctioned events.
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