|
|
Post by Justin Plannoth on Aug 3, 2009 22:25:42 GMT -5
It's not so much what would happen IRL, but what would make a believable storyline that isn't held together by a bunch of Deus Ex Machinas. As I said, there's a reason why most antagonists in the YGO series use magic, because magic is a ubiquitous plot device that can explain away everything. If you want to strip away the magic element, you have to be more creative, otherwise your entire idea collapses into one big pile of "WTF?"Indeed. And thanks for giving me my phrase of the week.  Heres an Idea- How about we have this tournament between dorms. Afterwards the winner of each dorm will compete against one another. The winner of the tournament gets some kind of a title? For Example- The Slifers will verse each other Ras will verse each other Obelisk Verse each other Violets verse each other And the winners randomly verse For example- Slifer vs. Obelisk Ra vs. Violet Then those winners verse in the finals and the winner of the whole thing becomes like the champion and stuff. [/i] ((I know the idea might suck since i came up with it on the spot [: ))[/quote] Check the last page. That's already been suggested...by me. XD From what I've read, the beginning of the plot, save a few minor details, is finished. So what direction is the plot going to be moving towards? Are some people going to investigate the mysterious deaths, while another group tries helps Kaiba Corp. figure out a way to reverse the law? Or are some representatives from the government are going to invade Duel Academy, and the students are going to have to drive them out?(Somehow, I can't see that happening though.) |
|
|
|
Post by Jaden Yuki on Aug 4, 2009 0:57:52 GMT -5
*Ahem*
Trying not to do the "usual" cliche tournament introduction tie of thing. It's as overused as the Magic concept. Maybe next time...which would be about third or perhaps second time around. Not that the idea isn't good...just not now.
|
|
|
|
Post by "Geomaster" Wright on Aug 7, 2009 2:15:14 GMT -5
Come on. this is yugioh. Everything is cliche and overdone. Might as well stick to the source material, play it a little tongue in cheek, and have fun with it.
I highly advocate a tournament to kick any plot off, even if its a small tournament with only like 8 people.
|
|
|
|
Post by Jaden Yuki on Aug 7, 2009 2:43:38 GMT -5
Come on. this is yugioh. Everything is cliche and overdone. Might as well stick to the source material, play it a little tongue in cheek, and have fun with it. I highly advocate a tournament to kick any plot off, even if its a small tournament with only like 8 people.
Besides, I doubt Duel Academy would hold tournmanets continuously when they're trying to teach children how to duel. We need to at least try to lean back towards the "School of Duelists" aspect more. |
|
|
|
Post by Shinichi Minamino on Aug 7, 2009 9:46:44 GMT -5
Besides, I doubt Duel Academy would hold tournmanets continuously when they're trying to teach children how to duel. I get what you're saying and all, but I just gotta strongly disagree with this part. The rest of what you said makes perfect sense to me. Just, with that part... specialized schools for games tend to have tournaments regularly. Not like one every week, but once a month isn't unreasonable. And for this, I'm drawing my conclusions from chess schools, like Kasparov's. |
|
|
|
Post by Mizuki Haruka on Aug 7, 2009 11:44:20 GMT -5
I haven't been paying much attention to this thread and I think I probably should be. However at the same time I don't want to read through all of the walls of text (seriously guys. Learn how to condense your ideas).
Someone wanna summarize all that's gone on and inform me on what you are debating right now?
|
|
|
|
Post by Jaden Yuki on Aug 7, 2009 12:26:46 GMT -5
Detail is good for you!
Ugh...anywayz...we need to know where you left off first of all, and as for the current debate, I don't know if we're having one since the tournmant idea was bounced long ago.
|
|
|
|
Post by fate12 on Aug 9, 2009 0:32:30 GMT -5
I saw this thread and figured I'd at least help out with the thought process in this before leaving for good. Firstly the whole magic thing as a main plot, as stated, can't be used. This singles out individuals and isn't as effective. Second thing is that the goal through these plots is to try something new. Every season in Yugioh they advance with something completely unexpected. Therefore, it would be beneficial to try the same. Saying this anything like a tournament or strong competition of sorts is just overused and not really fun. Lastly is action. This is what hurts things before. Something happens and no one wants to do anything about it. So having backup "I've got to settle this" people is always good to have.  As for actual idea, for personal matters, I'm not going to really state anything as an idea. From what I'm seeing staff wants the plot to be focused on the Academy. Whether it's an internal thing connected to Academy or something outside coming to it, it'll be difficult to honestly deal with because of how limited you are with the choice. Even though I did state the magic thing as a main plot would be beneficial there's nothing wrong with having steps of sub-plots that eventually leads to a big main plot. Things today require steps, progress, and great planning. Everything suck as back up plans, other ideas, or immediate changes have to be previously planned. Hope you guys do good with it but unfortunately I won't be around to enjoy it.  |
|
|
|
Post by Mizuki Haruka on Aug 9, 2009 10:30:02 GMT -5
Well they won't have something to enjoy if they keep on debating it amongst themselves.
We'll tell you what guys. You guys come up with a plot idea, fully flesh it out. In fact, you've got exactly seven days. That's August 16, 2009 by 12:00 PM, to take an idea, mold it, and flesh it out. Don't let one person do all the work on it, but don't argue it into next week either.
When you're ready to present it, PM one of the moderators and they will notify the other moderators, and we will all come and read your work, with most likely a stamp of approval or if not, some suggestions to change it.
Does that suit you?
|
|
|
|
Post by Shinichi Minamino on Aug 9, 2009 12:38:44 GMT -5
We already sort of have one, I guess. It's all in Cal's post from a few posts back. Dueling Prohibition Era.
|
|
|
|
Post by Jaden Yuki on Aug 9, 2009 12:50:08 GMT -5
We already sort of have one, I guess. It's all in Cal's post from a few posts back. Dueling Prohibition Era. Pretty much so. I fail to see what the excessive debating is about. Cal must summarize is since I don't want to touch any wording she has said. |
|
|
|
Post by Anna Cornick on Aug 10, 2009 19:03:14 GMT -5
(Forgive me if I'm repeating anything, or if I missed some things said because I just skimmed over some of the post.)
Holy Hell people learn to summarize, even if I were keeping up with this more I wouldn't have read all those walls of text........ when doing ideas, keep it simple or have points in there to break it up a little and make it easier to read without making people insane.
Overall I kinda like the plot. It's a way of having an open main plot, allowing people to participate and jump in at any time:
-New members can jump in without being entirely lost
-People on vacation or just unsure about getting involved can come in later on as well. Win/Win really.
So we're saying there needs a be a reason for people to go after the Academies in simple terms without all that corporate stuff that I noticed there were many many paragraphs one....
-Like Judai said, just look at what's happened to the Academy - Monsters coming to life, students vanishing (in the past), teachers being kidnapped (more past events), other monsters attacking students (before the whole Spirit mess that went all around the world....). Not to mention the constant threat of people trying to take over one or more of the Academies (Yes it has happened before, but this has new twist to it.) And now the death of someone important (Who will that be again?)
***The point is that many dangers have happened and while they never really show such things in Yu-Gi-Oh of any season, students have parents -some do anyways, and parents tend to worry about their kids safety, it's a fact, plain and simple so it's only natural that they complain to Kaiba and Pegasus and other dueling companies..... the Government/Company Officials whatever/whoever will want to hold a progress report of sorts.
They threaten to take down the Academies in order to please parents world wide, before they are pleaded to by Pro Duelist/Students/Other Duelist/etc and they are swayed to what Judai said, having their "goons/watchers" around the Academy for progress reports.
It's a way of getting teachers to teach their classes and getting students to attend and participate in more of the lessons because they want to show that the school isn't just about goofing off.
Tying in the deck stealing to making sense perhaps?
Of course these watchers/goons would be watching the academy to judge their progress or failure..... they would already have a reason to duel the students - IE. making sure they are learning something, but they would also step in to observe classes and such
***If the student/teacher whatever loses a duel then the "watcher" would take their deck from them.
-Yes teachers and such also......
***If people complain there is a fairly easy solution, I mean don't some people have multiple decks for their characters?
(This plot seriously reminds me of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix where that horrible woman comes in to observe for the ministry before slowly taking over and practically ending the school until she's stopped. XP )
------------------------------
And btw people, keep your other ideas for other plots open.
And remember that people can still have their sub plots going, main plots never mean your own personal little plots have to end.
|
|
|
|
Post by Shinichi Minamino on Aug 10, 2009 19:11:11 GMT -5
(Umbriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidge!)
And lol yeah... Cal might have a bit to say about your summary. But one thing I do notice about it that Cal already argued about was the goons/watchers thing. Her complaint, if I understand it, was about how they could stand a chance against Pro Duelists or even the teachers/students. They can't be just some random people that are somehow as good as Obelisks. I proposed that maybe they somehow got some Pro Duelists to act as these goons/watchers (through bribes/blackmail/whatever), but Cal doesn't like that idea, so... if anyone can come up with another one...
|
|
|
|
Post by egnever on Aug 10, 2009 19:17:29 GMT -5
That's right, more or less.
The way the current in-universe status about Duel Monsters is, it's far more lucrative and worthwhile to make money as a professional duelist than to be some government/corporate goon, and because professional duelists duel for a living (and the world of professional dueling provides a natural selection process for the best duelists), they're almost certainly will have a sizable advantage over some random goon in terms of dueling prowess. As I said, it would be like taking somebody from the rec center and trying to match him up against an NBA player in basketball. That's a game that could get ugly very fast.
Thus, if they want goons and henchmen to be any sort of threat, there needs to be some change to the status quo which says that any duelist worth their salt would much rather be a Pro League duelist than someone's lackey. This can be done if the Pro Leagues shrink/contract or collapse altogether, or if a lot of former Pros are disgraced (perhaps because of the movement against Duel Spirits?). Only then would there be any incentive for professional-level duelists to work for the government in overseeing a school.
Because let's face it, most people who graduate don't willingly step back on their high school campus just to chill. People with the skills to do well aren't going to be wasting their time working for pennies while dealing with snot-nosed kids.
|
|
|
|
Post by Anna Cornick on Aug 10, 2009 19:20:20 GMT -5
The goons/watchers can easily be pro duelist that the companies have hired to keep an eye on things. People that they may have brain washed into believing that their dueling for a better cause or something.
I've only seen a couple 5D episodes, but they have duelist who go around patrolling for underground duelist or something.....
Plus their high and powerful companies or whatever that's threatening to shut down the academies, I'm sure it's without their power to have duelist who are stronger then the students/teachers and all else.
-And if not, they undoubtedly have money to pay Pro Duelist who might not be out there and making tons of cash on their own.
----------------------------
Oh and reading back, I noticed something about having these goons patrolling about Domino and pros having to do this whole underground dueling.
-You know if you oppress the dueling too much, then your going to end up with a 90% RPing plot over splitting it between dueling and RPing because a lot of people might skip dueling, finding it not worth it to risk their decks.
|
|
